I've hit a wall and I have a hard time where to place priests in the Blood Elven society.

They could be:

-Non violent Blood Knights (menders)
-Followers of the Holy Light
-Preachers
-Blood Knights who engage with magic attacks only and don't wear plate

So, anyone has an idea?

Sin'dorei Priests are Priests of the Light, similar/the same as Human Priests. Their clergy is however somewhat small in proportion to humans for instance and is pretty much swallowed up/drowned in the magic centric society. Few followers, few believers, and even fewer called to the clergy itself. Generally considered far more 'powerful' than human priests though, but that is heavily offset by their lack of numbers.

As far as I understood it, the clergy took a seriously severe hit during the fall of the Quel'dorei and creation of the Sin'dorei through the fel abuse. Not many could easily justify the use of Fel magics and still retain the faith in the Light. Those who did are few and far between.

Of course, the darker side of things can still be considered to be -relatively- common in comparison to human/dwarf society due to the slippery slope of Arcane - > Fel - > Whatever evil/corruption can we fall to next?

Edit:

And I seem to have missed the point of your question. I doubt they have any kind of authority in Silvermoon that isn't superceded by pretty much absolutely everyone else that's above 'commoner' level. If they did, there would have been far more issues with the Blood Knights, the imprisoning of the Naaru, the fel abuse and so on and so forth. I think they 'rank' fairly low in comparison to all other factions within Sin'dorei society.

Many of the priests also lost faith in the light after the fall of Quel'Thalas. The Bloodknights are the way to use the light many went to after the fall, so in theory many priest would have chosen to become Bloodknights. Now, in theory many of the people that reverted to the Bloodknights might not be excellent fighters, and could therefore in my oppinion be priests in game terms.

But ofc as Mizh says, there would also be those that still followed the Holy Light as the humans do, and as they did before the fall of Quel'Thalas.

I do have my doubts as to them actually becoming Blood Knights. However, I can vividly imagine people of the clergy joining forces with the Blood Knights, becoming a sort of support structure for them. The healers and supporters that aren't directly engaged in combat but still supported the Blood Knights in all manners of ways that are more unique for a clergy.

Consider them as the monks writing the literature and chronicles and shit. The ones doing the healing and providing what little spiritual guidance they could and so on and so forth. But I would never consider them to be Priests if they were in the Blood Knight side of things, since a Priest wouldn't 'leech' off their Holy Light.

What puzzles me is the way that Priests have such an unstated position in Blood Elf society, when the major elven and blood elven contributions to the Alliance in past years were... priests. It's the basic model, for goodness sakes!

Madness. I tend to assume the turmoil drove all but the most devout of priests to loose their faith - only those with specific ties in independant organisations 'survived' so as to speak, and in general, the priests are an element in the Magister's Order.

A Priest who joins the BKs becomes a BK (Like what's-her-face, the first one).

Lady Liadrin.

Anyway, thanks for the answers. So priests are followers of the Holy Light stil but a minority. So this means they're basicly healers when required?

I dont like this putting priests in one place...

Bloodknights are light users. If one Bloodknights is a bad fighter but great at the light stuff, why cant they claim to be a mender or such in the Bloodknight order?

The Magisters use magic. The priests has a kind of magic atleast, i dont see why a priest cant be a magister.

I would guess the farstriders have a few priests in their ranks aswell.


Anyway, my point is... Let not your class be the anchor that weighs your down when choosing rp, but rather try to see the many opportunities you have with a class.
I know some here dont agree with me in this, but its how i think it is, and i wont change my mind about it... Constantly policing people's rp cause of the class they play is imo silly.

The Light is not 'magic' as we know it. It's channeling the Light in a myriad of ways. It's highly different than the mechanics of an arcane, shadow or fel spell as far as lore is concerned and thus I don't see it getting anywhere near the magister name.

A Blood Knight that's a bad fighter but great at the 'light stuff' is still a Blood Knight. He's just holy specced, as it were. An armor wearing fellow who can barely wave a sword to save his life, but he's damn good at the other part of his job.

I agree that class shouldn't weigh you too far down, but there got to be some limits after all. A Priest is a Priest. Former, current, acolyte in training, whatever... but still clergy. The question just becomes which groups they associate with and what their jobs within said groups are. No... a Priest wouldn't be an actual Blood Knight. To become a Priest to begin with, you're far more of a... cerebrally focused person. You simply don't have the thoughtset and mannerisms that leads someone to join for instance a Blood Knight order.

Associate with them. Join the order, sure. Become an actual Blood Knight? I don't think so. You simply don't stuff a cheerleader into a tank and call her a gunner. You don't stuff a pilot into a submarine and call them engineer. You don't stuff a Priest in plate and call them Paladins. The differences between them are too great.

Still... nothing's stopping anyone from becoming associated or even a member of the Blood Knights, since no organization at all can boast being purely made up of fighters. There's always administrators, various types of support personnel, logistics, whatever. Priests in Blood Knights? Sure. But as Priests, not Blood Knights.

I honestly don't see a problem with it either. Opportunities within classes is wonderful. Having a framework to structure and guide the RP towards greater heights instead of just a random puddle is fantastic. Class limitations does that. Not even being able to put on the freakin' uniform should be a clue that someone isn't a Blood Knight.

Do the Magisters have an application form that asks if they use Fel or Arcane magic? I dont think so. I see the Magisters as the politicians of Silvermoon. The ruling body that decides on laws and runs the day to day buisness of Quel'Thalas. Imo that isnt class decided, and i'd go as far as stating that even a rogue could be part of this "organisastion". Maybe many of the higher ranking and older Magisters wouldnt think much of said person, and therefore said person would have a hard time climbing the ranks. Cause in politics you need freinds.

You're right that priests cant do the typical Bloodknight work in the field and with lawenforcement, because ofcourse they cant even get the uniform. But as you say yourself, there's a huge part of a group like the Bloodknights that aint padded in plates and hunting undeads and Thorns 24/7. Where you would say they are associated with the Order, i'd say that they are part of it, hence why i stated that they were Bloodknights. Might have been me that were unclear on that. In any case i think we more or less agree on that point.
And as for priests not having the thoughtset and mannerisme to join the Bloodknight Order, i suggest you go check the lore character that actually founded the Bloodknight Order. Lady Liadrin was a priest that lost faith in the Light after the fall of Quel'Thalas, as did many others. IC'ly Catari was also a priest before the fall, and also joined the Bloodknights after having lost faith. (Later regained, but that's a whole other story)

Again on the class restrictions. I'd claim you could play any class, and say you were something else. Just not very good at it. A few examples: Our good old freind Khasha the Hunter, who claimed to be a mage, simply because back in classis Hunters actually used spellpower to boost several abilities, and then ofc the fact that hunters use mana. Another one could be the warrior that wanted to be a Bloodknight, wearing the trainee's uniform. Ofcourse this warrior could never wield the light, and were therefore never promoted to Bloodknight rank to get the full uniform.

Again, my point being that ofcourse i dont support a rogue running around emoting to cast fireballs, but when you think about it, almost any class could take up any role IC'ly. And what i want to avoid by taking up this discussions is posts like Ilsinea's earlier asking if Priests are then just of the Holy Light and a minority. I wish for people to realise that there's endless of possibilities.

Couldn't the Priests of Silvermoon be a totally different faction on their own? Not one of the three that constantly vy for power - since Priests have existed way before the Sundering and did on some level continue during that transfer, would it not be fair to assume that Priests are part of Silvermoon's 'Church' so as to speak?

It's clear from the animations in Silvermoon that the Magisters are tightly linked with the Priesthood, but that same scene does suggest that they are not the same entity. Likewise, many of these priests would have followed Lady Liadrin into the Blood Knight Order - becoming Blood Knights. Likewise again, as you have members of the Clergy in modern-day armed forces, so would you in the Fastriders.

Priests, as men and women of faith would have been highly-sought of during the period of rocky times following the loss of the Sunwell, and many would have lost their faith (like Lady Liadrin). Regardless, they will have survived on some level, and as a result no longer truly exist as their own entity, but as different parts of the three factions in Silvermoon (or, it could be argued, as part of an independant organisation, such as the Argent Dawn, or on their own, as a member of Silvermoon's Church.)

In conclusion - a Priest could fit in anywhere. It'd take some thought and some research, but I feel confidant that if you wanted to, you could argue a Priest's place anywhere in Silvermoon. To take my own character as an example - Jaelen is no longer a member of the Magister's Order, he's forsaken the use of fel and arcane magic. He is, however, not a member of the Clergy. He's contributed on a large level to the Argent Crusade, earning himself the title Crusader(-Lord), but above all he's now just a member of the Nobility. That is his place in society, as a buisnessman and a respectably high-up member of a respectable Noble House.

Exactly Jaelen

And that Silvermoon church faction is what Mizh said, the priests that kept their faith in the Light. They are still around.

And as far as I'm concerned are the only actual 'priests' left, considering that the moniker indicates a certain faith. Just like I'd never call a Blood Knight a 'paladin', but that's a whole 'nother debate.

The class can fit in many places indeed, if it's done properly. The possibilities are unfortunately -not- endless unless you start accepting the utterly retarded. Like Miz suddenly emoting fireballs and shit. That's well within the 'endless' scope, after all. Or firing lightning bolts out of her ass while throwing up totems, then turning into a bear wielding a shield and hammer while yelling 'for the light'. Well within the 'endless' possibilities, hmm?

These are all ridiculous examples, but they should serve to illustrate that the 'endless possibilities' also opens up the door to the utterly retarded. Some lines should be drawn somewhere, and unfortunately the only things we -can- point at as decent lines lie within the class differences and such. Any point beyond that gets too smudged and blurry, again allowing for the utterly ridiculous stuff... like an Orc Mage wielding a pig and a gun.

Do the wild stuff. Stretch the characters and enjoy the artistic freedom of a roleplayer... just try to erect some guidelines and frameworks to do this within, since that'll avoid the ridiculous stuff that's sure as hell going to bug the living fuck out of someone you'll interact with. Class limitations help a lot with that, since it's a firm boundary set by the very game itself, and it's the only universal limits we can all see, understand and abide by universally no matter what else. Doing it all individually will lead to schisms and screeching halts when someone does a major double-take.

Thanks for the feedback guys.

About magic itself, there are two kinds of magic. Arcane magic (With all the subtypes) and Divine Magic.

Arcane magic is power you grasp out of thin air (not literally) and obliterate someone with a fireball, freeze them to the ground with a frostbolt, or make people scream in horror with fear.

Divine magic is power that needs to be granted to you, this includes elemental magic and holy light. The Blood Knights found a way to seize this power.

Possibly off topic - but I read a story about Tirion and the power of the light was something that was granted to a Paladin and in his case, taken away because he was perceived as a traitor.

Is that the same for Blood Knights? This also implies that in general Divine Magic can be taken away. So you could strip a priest of their powers? (not just by stunlocks )